Great emphasis was placed on the fact that Shahzad could not have assaulted Jemma in the alleyway, as he could not of been wearing the same baseball cap he was wearing in the the pub, as allegedly stated by Jemma, because it had fallen off during the fight within the pub.
The questions started with reference to the baseball cap being last seen by Jemma on Shahzad when he was in the pub; to her answers being interpreted to Shazad wearing the same cap in the alleyway.
In one particular interview, lasting 93 minutes, with no solicitor or responsible adult present, questioning around the baseball cap is interspersed with other questions across 12 pages, where Jemma's key responses and questions are re-interpreted into something else.
Original key answers provided by Jemma included:
(a) "and it didn't look like the red writing that was on the hat in the pub"
(b) "so it, it, it looked different, it looked like a different font"
(c) "the one with the hat on with different writing"
(d) "he walked in front of me and it was the man from the pub with the hat on", Police "it was the same hat you saw?". Jemma "the same person".
The following exchange is where the Police interpreted the conversation from the hat in the pub to the same hat being seen in the alleyway:
Police: "the last time you saw that, that bloke, yeah, in the pub, was he wearing that hat?" Jemma: "yeah he had the hat on the whole time",
Police: "the whole time, okay",
Jemma: "i remember he had the hat on the whole time",
Police: "you remember the hat on?",
Jemma: "yeah",
Police: “so the last time you remember him he had that hat on?”,
Jemma: “yeah”,
Police: “right”,
Jemma: “cos I was saying how he had the same hat as someone else before any of it kicked off, sorry”,
Police: “Okay. And the hat’s the NY in red, in red lining?”,
Jemma “Yeah, but the other person had it in purple writing, something, something stupid, can’t remember”,
Police: “same design, different colours, yeah?”,
Jemma: “yeah”,
Police: “but it’s definitely the same cap?”,
Jemma: “same cap”,
Police: “and it’s the same guy”
Jemma: "yeah"
The original question at the beginning of this exchange was in reference to inside the pub, “the last time you saw that, that bloke, yeah, in, in the pub, was he wearing that hat?”. This has been interpreted by Police to imply that he was wearing the hat at the time of the assault, which is not what Jemma has answered.
Source:
Police : J Beale ABE Interview : 23 April 2013